Strict Standards: Declaration of KunenaLayoutBase::debug() should be compatible with JLayoutBase::debug($data = Array) in /home/newtd/public_html/libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 38
Welcome, Guest
Username: Password: Remember me

TOPIC: AoW status check

Re: AoW status check 4 years 10 months ago #49

  • Eversuede
  • Eversuede's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Hero Member +1
  • Posts: 1028
Anthony Barnstable wrote:
Wait a second, from the way I read Lenses I don't even get the choice to equip and roll for AoW. You are saying not only do I get to roll and then choose if I still want to equip Lenses or AoW if I roll a 1, but I can alternatively even choose to reroll AoW until I roll something other than a 1?! I doubt many players would ever want to choose the option that gets them less treasure, but it is still an interesting loophole to try and get more bonus strength if the goal is to just buff that or some other stat.

If you think that is an interesting loophole, then you should had seen me roll for Immune to Fire during the Red Dragon namely Draco three parts series as I still gone mess up with the rest of my party member as they got worse for wear as were I were, too. Just put it this ways is all about blind faith and afterward you could post your heart desire how it active functional from the event as we do many times before this. Believe me, I could memory most of the posting about it back, then. That I know has been consistency been the pattern as well enough. I try not to sweat the details, just have fun and good times with TD friends from this gamer community because they has been acceptable to me as well as other that join.


-Eversuede-

P.S. As they said many times before the devil is in the details, so let him sweat about it instead you and try to have fun because it always work out in the end, either ways.
Out of the Phoenix's fire, I burned into one arm demon.
Out of the Phoenix's tear, I healed into mortal man.
Out of the Name is Eversuede!!!
Last Edit: 4 years 10 months ago by Eversuede.
The administrator has disabled public write access.

Re: AoW status check 4 years 10 months ago #50

There has to be an exception one way or another. The other option is to say that, in this one case, the Lens could stack with the AoW. We're already saying CoA will stack with AoW's treasure effect. If AoW can coexist with the +13 of a relic, why not with the +1 of a lowly rare? It feels like we're filtering out a gnat while swallowing a tarantula.

Allowing optional rerolls or forcing an eye-swap seems more disruptive in the coaching room than the 17-20% chance that the Lenses get to stack. But honestly, it seems like the number of people this would affect would be small, so I would just go with the simplest option.
barkley.neo.rr.com -->see my eBay store HERE or my web store HERE
"Ceci n'est pas une pipe" - Magritte
Last Edit: 4 years 10 months ago by Brad Mortensen.
The administrator has disabled public write access.

Re: AoW status check 4 years 10 months ago #51

  • Kaledor
  • Kaledor's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Hero Member
  • Posts: 703
Kaledor wrote:
jedibcg wrote:
Kaledor wrote:
balthasar wrote:
Now it is a pull measuring contest, lol.

LOL - That would be interesting to track as an individual pulls to include those from your group that you get.

My group will have between 681 and 795 pulls this year, not counting potential addition treasure from AoW because I haven't had a chance to throw it into the spreadsheet yet. I will also need to hear the ghost ruling for AoW because we ghost a run a character here and there.

That is with 4 almost full runs (we have 9 out of the 10 pulls). And a handful of random single runs.

Well if we stick with treasure pull math...

16 pulls (13 for CoA and 3 for treasure rooms) x10 people x4 runs = 640 Unless we can get more than 16 pulls but I believe the CoA is only 13 max.

Can you explain how you are getting 795 pulls without AoW?

Just wondering.

Still haven't figure you math out can you explain?
Co-Guild Leader of Zombies
Yes I'm an Arneson you do the math.
The administrator has disabled public write access.

Re: AoW status check 4 years 10 months ago #52

  • jedibcg
  • jedibcg's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Hero Member +1
  • What is personal text?
  • Posts: 3076
You are forgetting the handful of single runs I mentioned(which is 6 runs with various number of people on them and 1 TG). Also we have 2 6th level character so that is 2 extra pulls on a few runs. I also have 50 treasure pulls from Pre-Order/WYC I forgot I was counting in that.

So yeah our total pulls this year will be at least 681 and with no 1's on the AoW 795 if we get every Treasure Room (which I am NOT counting on). If you were to hit every 1 on the AoW (again not counting on that) we could pull as many as 947.

I don't know if this will paste well but here is my part of my spreadsheet

Completion Stamps?
SC Rare SC Unc ItU Rare ItU Unc Treasure Min Max Aow
ItU C 9:24am 0 0 1 0 14 0 3 4
SG C 12:02pm 1 0 0 0 14 0 3 4
ItU C 3:12pm 0 0 14 0 3 4
Tr Grd 8:30pm 0 0 0 0 3 0 0 0
SG C 10:14pm 2 2 0 0 28 0 6 8
ItU P 3:13pm 0 0 9 0 119 0 27 28
ItU P 7:37pm 0 0 1 0 14 0 3 4
SG C 10:50pm 0 9 0 0 119 0 27 28
SG P 10:15am 4 0 0 0 28 0 12 16
ItU C 2pm 0 0 9 9 119 27 27 28
SG P 12:39pm 10 0 0 0 132 0 30 28
Misc 0 0 0 0 50 0 0 0
17 11 20 9 654 27 141 152
681 795 947


EDIT: Damnit it looked fine from the paste but doesn't format correctly afterwards.
You either discover a star or you don't, you arrogant punk.


Amorgen's Excellent Excel Character Generator

Have you checked the Token DataBase?
Last Edit: 4 years 10 months ago by jedibcg.
The administrator has disabled public write access.

Re: AoW status check 4 years 10 months ago #53

  • Druegar
  • Druegar's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Hero Member +2
  • Enjoy Your Burrito
  • Posts: 5242
Anthony Barnstable wrote:
Wait a second, from the way I read Lenses I don't even get the choice to equip and roll for AoW. You are saying not only do I get to roll and then choose if I still want to equip Lenses or AoW if I roll a 1, but I can alternatively even choose to reroll AoW until I roll something other than a 1?!
In years when AoW has a bonus treasure effect that is not random (e.g., 2013), you could not equip AoW with LoF. In years when AoW has a random effect and one (or more) of those effects is bonus treasure, you may equip LoF and AoW, but if the AoW roll results in a bonus treasure effect, you must either un-equip LoF or re-roll the AoW effect.
Brad Mortensen wrote:
in this one case, the Lens could stack with the AoW.
I respectfully disagree. Putting a bonus treasure effect on a Rare needed to have a severe restriction. And that restriction is that is doesn't stack with anything.
Brad Mortensen wrote:
If AoW can coexist with the +13 of a relic, why not with the +1 of a lowly rare? It feels like we're filtering out a gnat while swallowing a tarantula.
AoW can stack with CoA because neither of them have stacking restrictions preventing the other. LoF has a severe stacking restriction.
Have you looked it up in the TDb?
Please post TDb corrections/suggestions in this thread.
The administrator has disabled public write access.

Re: AoW status check 4 years 10 months ago #54

  • Druegar
  • Druegar's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Hero Member +2
  • Enjoy Your Burrito
  • Posts: 5242
jedibcg wrote:
Damnit it looked fine from the paste but doesn't format correctly afterwards.
HTML doesn't preserve tabs. Either put "Code" tags around it (easiest) or use a table (way more difficult) to preserve them. It's the icon with <> over a sheet of paper.
Completion					Stamps?		
	SC Rare	SC Unc	ItU Rare	ItU Unc	Treasure	Min	Max	Aow
ItU C 9:24am	0	0	1	0	14	0	3	4
SG C 12:02pm	1	0	0	0	14	0	3	4
ItU C 3:12pm	0	0			14	0	3	4
Tr Grd 8:30pm	0	0	0	0	3	0	0	0
SG C 10:14pm	2	2	0	0	28	0	6	8
ItU P 3:13pm	0	0	9	0	119	0	27	28
ItU P 7:37pm	0	0	1	0	14	0	3	4
SG C 10:50pm	0	9	0	0	119	0	27	28
SG P  10:15am	4	0	0	0	28	0	12	16
ItU C 2pm	0	0	9	9	119	27	27	28
SG P 12:39pm	10	0	0	0	132	0	30	28
Misc    	0	0	0	0	50	0	0	0
	17	11	20	9	654	27	141	152
						681	795	947
Have you looked it up in the TDb?
Please post TDb corrections/suggestions in this thread.
The administrator has disabled public write access.

Re: AoW status check 4 years 10 months ago #55

My point was, the stacking restriction on the CoA was implied (no ring/charm/neck UR while allowing the possibility of other slots opening up).

But by the literal text, you are correct, Druegar.
barkley.neo.rr.com -->see my eBay store HERE or my web store HERE
"Ceci n'est pas une pipe" - Magritte
The administrator has disabled public write access.

Re: AoW status check 4 years 10 months ago #56

  • Druegar
  • Druegar's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Hero Member +2
  • Enjoy Your Burrito
  • Posts: 5242
Brad Mortensen wrote:
the stacking restriction on the CoA was implied (no ring/charm/neck UR while allowing the possibility of other slots opening up).
My interpretation of CoA's stacking prohibitions are different than what I think you're suggesting. I never read the CoA's stacking restriction as being against certain slots. I read it as a restriction against stacking with specific tokens; most notably the tokens used in it's primary recipe. I don't recall* hearing mention of slot restrictions during CoA's development process.

*Memories are very unreliable, so maybe I'm completely forgetting something.
Have you looked it up in the TDb?
Please post TDb corrections/suggestions in this thread.
The administrator has disabled public write access.

Re: AoW status check 4 years 10 months ago #57

Druegar wrote:
Brad Mortensen wrote:
the stacking restriction on the CoA was implied (no ring/charm/neck UR while allowing the possibility of other slots opening up).
My interpretation of CoA's stacking prohibitions are different than what I think you're suggesting. I never read the CoA's stacking restriction as being against certain slots. I read it as a restriction against stacking with specific tokens; most notably the tokens used in it's primary recipe. I don't recall* hearing mention of slot restrictions during CoA's development process.

*Memories are very unreliable, so maybe I'm completely forgetting something.

The AoTF is kind of a slot restriction. The CoA doesn't give the bonuses of the AoTF, but they don't stack.
The administrator has disabled public write access.

Re: AoW status check 4 years 10 months ago #58

One thing I recall was the CoA was designed to free up a neck and ring slot for something non-greedy. Then the first request was for CoA to stack with HoP and RoR, so after lots of drama the current wording on the restriction was chosen, because those were the only other greed tokens in existence.

So a year later we have it stacking with a neck token, but only 1 time out of 6 (or 5), which was why I stopped arguing about it. It's only an average of +1 token per run for one year, so I give up.

So while I don't really care either way, it seems like allowing CoA to stack with AoW in a way I thought it was specifically designed not to do (the AoW greed power is the average of HoP and AoTF, so disallowing the +4 and +6 but allowing the +5 seems odd), but not allowing LoF to do the same thing, seems inconsistent.

Just wanted people to understand why it doesn't make sense to me personally. But I don't plan to wear either LoF or AoW, so I don't really care how this shakes out.
barkley.neo.rr.com -->see my eBay store HERE or my web store HERE
"Ceci n'est pas une pipe" - Magritte
The administrator has disabled public write access.

Re: AoW status check 4 years 10 months ago #59

  • jedibcg
  • jedibcg's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Hero Member +1
  • What is personal text?
  • Posts: 3076
Right but if say a +2 TE token came out in the Neck or Ring slot the CoA would not restrict it. I am NOT advocating this just using it as an example. That fictional token may have a restriction that it cannot be worn with CoA but that would be its restriction not CoA's.


EDIT: Brad the AOW is only the possible +4 not +5 that got changed too
tokendb.com/token/amulet-of-wonder/
You either discover a star or you don't, you arrogant punk.


Amorgen's Excellent Excel Character Generator

Have you checked the Token DataBase?
Last Edit: 4 years 10 months ago by jedibcg.
The administrator has disabled public write access.

Re: AoW status check 4 years 10 months ago #60

  • Druegar
  • Druegar's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Hero Member +2
  • Enjoy Your Burrito
  • Posts: 5242
My interpretation is that's a prohibition against specific tokens, not slots because I recall no mention of slot restrictions during development.

But I'm weird.
Have you looked it up in the TDb?
Please post TDb corrections/suggestions in this thread.
The administrator has disabled public write access.
Time to create page: 0.223 seconds