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The fate of old UR's 4 years 11 months ago #1

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This discussion came up at our informal get-together at Origins.

With the slight power creep in TD and with some UR's not maintaining the value of others, are too many UR's being printed and what is to become of the ones which don't have or retain their value?

I threw out a suggestion of having some sort of trade-in system where the resulting tokens could only be used in the creation of legendary tokens. Perhaps it could be a transmuted Wish Ring for 4 or 5 UR's, or some other transmuted token which could be applied towards the 25,000 GP eldritch bar needed for legendary's.

This could help all UR's retain their value and give a way to make use of the UR's on the island of misfit tokens.
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Re: The fate of old UR's 4 years 11 months ago #2

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Well the problem is that will take the price of gold down.
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Re: The fate of old UR's 4 years 11 months ago #3

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In a way, Jeff has been giving value to older tokens already.

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First item to make it is any 1 Ultra Rare melee weapon. There are a lot of old Ultra rare melee weapons that have lost their value or use in the game. And this gives the owners a chance to make them into something more useful again.

I'm sure we will see this continue with other older obsolete Ultras over time.
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Re: The fate of old UR's 4 years 11 months ago #4

I have a standing offer to buy pretty much any UR at $20. No takers.

With the exception of the Scepter of the Dead (which sells around $25), I think $40 is about the minimum an Ultra Rare can go for - even stuff like +1 Broadsword of Life Stealing which is more or less obsoleted by in print rares.

So - I'm not sure there is a problem to be solved here - if anything I'd say the price of old Ultra Rares is surprisingly resilient.
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Re: The fate of old UR's 4 years 11 months ago #5

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Laz, if you think there are so many low-value UR's out there that it would affect the value of gold then you are just reinforcing the argument that there should be some use for them. I truthfully don't think gold prices would be affected at all.

Matthew, I don't think any UR should be worth as little as $20.
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Re: The fate of old UR's 4 years 11 months ago #6

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Beertram wrote:
Laz, if you think there are so many low-value UR's out there that it would affect the value of gold then you are just reinforcing the argument that there should be some use for them. I truthfully don't think gold prices would be affected at all.

Matthew, I don't think any UR should be worth as little as $20.

What I believes he means is that if UR are getting turned into gold then there will be more gold and that will drive down the price of gold. If that is what he means then I agree with him.
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Re: The fate of old UR's 4 years 11 months ago #7

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jedibcg wrote:
Beertram wrote:
Laz, if you think there are so many low-value UR's out there that it would affect the value of gold then you are just reinforcing the argument that there should be some use for them. I truthfully don't think gold prices would be affected at all.

Matthew, I don't think any UR should be worth as little as $20.

What I believes he means is that if UR are getting turned into gold then there will be more gold and that will drive down the price of gold. If that is what he means then I agree with him.
yes that is what I mean
if you have another way to get gold...then gold is not as valuable...IE it will go down...nothing to do with value of the URs...
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Re: The fate of old UR's 4 years 11 months ago #8

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jedibcg wrote:
Beertram wrote:
Laz, if you think there are so many low-value UR's out there that it would affect the value of gold then you are just reinforcing the argument that there should be some use for them. I truthfully don't think gold prices would be affected at all.

Matthew, I don't think any UR should be worth as little as $20.

What I believes he means is that if UR are getting turned into gold then there will be more gold and that will drive down the price of gold. If that is what he means then I agree with him.

I think you are overestimating the number of low-value UR's that would be traded-in and over-estimating how the existence of specialized tokens which would make legendaries more accessible would affect the value of gold in general.

I personally have never even touched a legendary token, but I guess the threat of them becoming more accessible would be a threat to those who have a lot of them.
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Re: The fate of old UR's 4 years 11 months ago #9

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Beertram wrote:
jedibcg wrote:
Beertram wrote:
Laz, if you think there are so many low-value UR's out there that it would affect the value of gold then you are just reinforcing the argument that there should be some use for them. I truthfully don't think gold prices would be affected at all.

Matthew, I don't think any UR should be worth as little as $20.

What I believes he means is that if UR are getting turned into gold then there will be more gold and that will drive down the price of gold. If that is what he means then I agree with him.

I think you are overestimating the number of low-value UR's that would be traded-in and over-estimating how the existence of specialized tokens which would make legendaries more accessible would affect the value of gold in general.

I personally have never even touched a legendary token, but I guess the threat of them becoming more accessible would be a threat to those who have a lot of them.
i think you are not thinking of the people that are short on Gold(that is usually what people are missing in making legendaries)
So I have been using this +2 long sword...I want to make the legendary sword...well I dont need that +2 long sword...but I am short gold
so now I can just trade that in as gold

so when there is a gas shortage(oil spill etc) ...does gas stay the same? Go up or go down

when the government releases excess gas in stock pile...does gas go up or go down

This is the same..if you create a new way to get something (GPs) the price of it will go down
supply and demand


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Re: The fate of old UR's 4 years 11 months ago #10

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Beertram wrote:
jedibcg wrote:
Beertram wrote:
Laz, if you think there are so many low-value UR's out there that it would affect the value of gold then you are just reinforcing the argument that there should be some use for them. I truthfully don't think gold prices would be affected at all.

Matthew, I don't think any UR should be worth as little as $20.

What I believes he means is that if UR are getting turned into gold then there will be more gold and that will drive down the price of gold. If that is what he means then I agree with him.

I think you are overestimating the number of low-value UR's that would be traded-in and over-estimating how the existence of specialized tokens which would make legendaries more accessible would affect the value of gold in general.

I personally have never even touched a legendary token, but I guess the threat of them becoming more accessible would be a threat to those who have a lot of them.

If there aren't that many UR's that would be traded in then there isn't any need. If many would be turned in then it will have a affect on gold prices. I don't have any legendaries, and even if I did someone else being able to get them would not be a threat to me. I however will admit that I would prefer there not to be a flood of gold. If there is there will be a demand to do something with the excess of gold which will drive up the gold cost of relics and legendaries.
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Re: The fate of old UR's 4 years 11 months ago #11

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jedibcg wrote:
Beertram wrote:
jedibcg wrote:
Beertram wrote:
Laz, if you think there are so many low-value UR's out there that it would affect the value of gold then you are just reinforcing the argument that there should be some use for them. I truthfully don't think gold prices would be affected at all.

Matthew, I don't think any UR should be worth as little as $20.

What I believes he means is that if UR are getting turned into gold then there will be more gold and that will drive down the price of gold. If that is what he means then I agree with him.

I think you are overestimating the number of low-value UR's that would be traded-in and over-estimating how the existence of specialized tokens which would make legendaries more accessible would affect the value of gold in general.

I personally have never even touched a legendary token, but I guess the threat of them becoming more accessible would be a threat to those who have a lot of them.

If there aren't that many UR's that would be traded in then there isn't any need. If many would be turned in then it will have a affect on gold prices. I don't have any legendaries, and even if I did someone else being able to get them would not be a threat to me. I however will admit that I would prefer there not to be a flood of gold. If there is there will be a demand to do something with the excess of gold which will drive up the gold cost of relics and legendaries.
agreed on the "threat part" I dont care who has them

I do care on the possible flood of gold

So if I am 5K in gold short...I would start looking at what URs where not of use to me any more

it would not matter if useful to anyone else..it would be what gold can I get
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Re: The fate of old UR's 4 years 11 months ago #12

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lazlo_hollyfeld1985 wrote:
jedibcg wrote:
Beertram wrote:
jedibcg wrote:
Beertram wrote:
Laz, if you think there are so many low-value UR's out there that it would affect the value of gold then you are just reinforcing the argument that there should be some use for them. I truthfully don't think gold prices would be affected at all.

Matthew, I don't think any UR should be worth as little as $20.

What I believes he means is that if UR are getting turned into gold then there will be more gold and that will drive down the price of gold. If that is what he means then I agree with him.

I think you are overestimating the number of low-value UR's that would be traded-in and over-estimating how the existence of specialized tokens which would make legendaries more accessible would affect the value of gold in general.

I personally have never even touched a legendary token, but I guess the threat of them becoming more accessible would be a threat to those who have a lot of them.

If there aren't that many UR's that would be traded in then there isn't any need. If many would be turned in then it will have a affect on gold prices. I don't have any legendaries, and even if I did someone else being able to get them would not be a threat to me. I however will admit that I would prefer there not to be a flood of gold. If there is there will be a demand to do something with the excess of gold which will drive up the gold cost of relics and legendaries.
agreed on the "threat part" I dont care who has them

I do care on the possible flood of gold

So if I am 5K in gold short...I would start looking at what URs where not of use to me any more

it would not matter if useful to anyone else..it would be what gold can I get

Laz, as you own many UR's, when those UR's are traded in, your UR's just became that much more valuable. Again I don't think this suggestion would have any long term affect on the value of gold as it's scope is very limited and the resulting transmutations would be limited in their usefulness.

Jedi, I am not suggesting Jeff flood the market with gold, but a means to reward the players who have been around a long time and are now in the possession of outdated UR's. This is a VERY small fraction of the market but it will get larger over time. I don't think this is a current crisis and I don't expect anything to be done about it soon. But if a solution is introduced sooner when it will have minimal affect on the market, then that is better than introducing it later when it could have an affect on the market or not done ever and leave the average collector stuck with outdated UR's not being used.
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